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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jun 29, 2007 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: LATVALA

always read threads about dick latvala and it always seems negative and i don't understand it.the vault was in dis array until he came along and got everything in order along with jeffery norman and got it into a digital catalog.dick was the one who pushed the band into releasing live shows from the band and with just a limited budget and no primo 16 track recordings to work with he did a hell of a job,yeah he had some wierd taste in dead music but the fact that he got the ball rolling and organized the vault for the future should garner some respect.englishtown 77,Binghampton, 5/2/70,Pembroke Pines, 5/22/77,Fillmore East, 2/13-14/70,: Oklahoma City, 10/19/73,Tampa, 12/19/73,Providence & Boston, 6/26 & 28/74,Nassau Coliseum, 5/6/81 etc..latvala had to deal with nasty cuts and degraded audio on a lot of these shows and him and norman did the best they could with the budget and the degraded audio hence some shows are not full shows because of that.also a lot of shows people want out does not exist in the vault like CORNELL 77.his job was a labor of love and i guess i'm one of the few who is grateful for his effort and he did a better fucking job than rhino is doing.2-19-71 was done in april 1992,cow palace was done by dave and norman months prior to the vault going to rhino.those nice fillmore box sets,the golden road box sets etc guess who got those all organize in a digital package????way before they ever came out latvala.read some articles by dave and norman on dick he loved the music and i think it's great dave was still picking shows of dick's list after he passed away a small tribute to someone who loved the tunes.good job rhino slap some artwork on shows done by healy,dick,dave and norman i'm friggin impressed.the good news is only nine more years to go before the vault is back into the hands of the dead.thank you latvala and props to dave and norman for doing a great job after his passing,think i'm going to crank up 10-19-73 right now.o.k. my rant is over for now.music is subjective but at least give latvala some respect for his effort http://www.dicklatvala.com/

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Poster: walterbedingfield415 Date: Jun 29, 2007 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

I think Dick did a good job finding shows that maybe were not in very high circulation that prob. should have been and getting them out in the best quality possible. From a financial stand-point it really wouldnt make sense to release 5/8/77 cuz its prob. the most highly circulated tape and has been remastered so well that i find it hard to believe that a Dick's picks release would have been much better. I think given what he had to work with and the budgetary constraints he did a very good job.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 29, 2007 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

Once again, downloaders are only a fraction of the buying public. After all, 2-13/14-70 had been around in great quality for years. Ditto for Harpur and many others. If you think that they are basing releases on tape collectors, think again.

That and the fact that many tapers still want the official copy. Besides--what's left that is in the vault but has not appeared online AND is great?

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Poster: walterbedingfield415 Date: Jun 30, 2007 1:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

I take your point but I dont appreciate your condescension. "once again"? have we had this convo. before?

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 30, 2007 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

I don't know if "we" have ever had any conversation, but there have been several threads which have discussed the issue of Dps, Vaults, etc., that have touched up the notion that downloaders make up only a fraction of the potential buying community. It's a business statement, not a condescending one.

I did not mean to appear personal in the reply. I think the issue of Cornell is that the "rights" to it are up in the air. The got permission to splice in the missing notes of 2-12-, 2-13-70. C.F. my post above.

The point is that while it would seem somewhat "obvious" that Rhino ought to read this and other forums, and it would be nice if they did, their goal is to sell music. Doing so based solely on the wishes of twenty posters (who can not agree as they have different tastes and viewpoints) is not necessarily good business.

If you find that condescending, sorry. After all, as a participant here, I would be talking down at myself as well.

This post was modified by ghostofpig on 2007-06-30 12:43:45

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jun 29, 2007 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

Speaking as someone who merely went to shows, loving the unique musical and social experience that it was (heavy on the musical, much less emphasis on the social, but it was still very much part of the whole shabang), I have always left the collecting and archiving of shows to others more focused on that aspect of the Grateful Dead's big picture. I listen and like, and pretty much leave it at that. But I do have a lot of appreciation for all who point up what is good to say about it all. And thank you for taking the time to do just that.

Dick had the enviable job of sorting through the tapes and listening for things that made particular shows noteworthy, maybe just to him, if no one else. But oh, to be that kid in that candy store. I guess it really comes down to his picks being just that: Dick's Picks. If they were BryanE's picks, we very well might have a very different collection. Not completely different, because I was at some of them in the series, and I remember thinking myself that those were some pretty hot-damn kinds of shows.

There are so many shows to be heard here at the Archive, and there are still those who maintain their collections of tapes collected through the years, so whatever is put on shelves with an "official release" status is, to my mind, just that: "official." It's clear that they spark debate among those who choose to bandy deeply-considered responses back and forth as to how remarkable any of them are based on myriad criteria. Aren't we lucky, though, to have so much available to us for our listening pleasure? I doubt that there is another band with anywhere near the amount of concerts---no, there simply is not another band with anywhere near the number of performances that fans can hear simply at the touch of a button.

Well, okay, you have to load the disc into the player, but you get my drift.

Cheers to the memory of Dick Latvala and his legacy of picking winners.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 29, 2007 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

Lets not forget that Dick Latvala gave us the "free" leftovers that were left off of the official releases. He is the reason why most of the 2/13-14/70 shows circulate in high quality form. This practice stopped after his death...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 29, 2007 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

Dick did a great job, I just don't personally agree with him on some things topically, but he was responsible for getting the shit on the stick and get the live shows out there (officially)...

This post was modified by stratocaster on 2007-06-29 23:38:37

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 30, 2007 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LATVALA

As far as I'm concerned Dick will always deserve a respectful tip of the hat for getting the whole Dick's Picks project moving. I did not agree with many of his choices or opions he voiced over the years (to say the least), but then again the releases aren't called Lou's Picks. And, while we can debate the merits of some of the more offbeat choices, isn't it great to have reliable warhorses like 5/2/70 and 12/29/77 available in the best possible quality?